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601 - The Kids Are Alright



Season 6 isn't holding back – we're going full speed ahead as Dawson and Joey take their "will they, won't they" relationship to the next level. Who could've predicted that? (Not Charles.)

From Traci: "It takes 16 minutes this week for us to actually start talking about the episode. Sorry. I mean... it's still sooner than Dawson shows up in the episode."

From Charles: "I cut this thought from the pod once Traci reminded me that Jack Osbourne existed, but man, Jack Osburne kind of reminds me of Buzz from season 3."

From Traci: "I didn’t realize Charles didn't know that was Jack Osbourne."

Also... FUNKOS!:


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  1. For season six James Van Der Beek asked to have his time cut back on the show so it really really became the Joey Potter show. Also it's very dumb and unrealistic that she and Dawson didn't speak the whole summer since we the audience have been hammered over the heads that they're supposed soul mates. They always dissolve when they try a romantic relationship. Why did the writers write them that way? I hate they kept pushing that stupid romance down our throats. I've seen pigeons get it on that was hotter than that Joey and Dawson love scene.

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    1. "I've seen pigeons get it on that was hotter than that Joey and Dawson love scene." HAHAHAHAHA I snorted at work reading that.

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    2. I have a theory on why the writers wrote their friendship/relationship that way – I think it has to do with showing that they're "meant to be" no matter what happens, or something to that effect... – but I agree: it's frustrating as a viewer to be told that's the ship we should be rooting for after the epic saga that was Pacey/Joey.

      And LOL - pigeons hahahah

      -Traci

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  2. Another great podcast! Thanks for the shout out at the start, although it made me laugh to hear my top 5 repeated back to me - definitely sensed a theme there, oops!

    I enjoyed hearing the ratings on IMDb and TV.com - although my least favourite episode was not the lowest rated on either site. (It’s still the worst.) But as soon as you read out the highest ratings, I did smile because there was no need to guess which episode that was. I think it might be my favourite episode of the entire series and I’m glad you get to listen to it with the real music. Season 6 is worth watching for that episode alone (and the finale, of course).

    As for 601 - I cringed so hard listening back to Joey’s voiceover at the start of the episode, in which they brushed past everyone’s storylines at double speed, giving no payoff for anything that was set up in the season 5 finale - except for Dawson and Joey’s storyline, which was left completely stagnant and didn’t move forward at all. It was all very strange, and I think Dawson’s reasoning for not contacting Joey all summer is testament to the fact that they are more in love with the idea of each other than the reality - something that will become increasingly clear this season.

    I did love hearing “As I Lay Me Down” on the soundtrack though, it’s a MUCH better choice of song than the generic one they used in the show and actually gives some payoff to Joey waiting all that time to hear ‘her’ song.

    The show is definitely Joey’s Boston by this point, but Joey has become such a Mary Sue that it’s nauseating to watch. I used to love Joey, but the writers have removed all her obstacles which makes her come across as ungrateful and condescending. Why couldn’t her first scene with Hetson have been an interview for the English dept. research job, which she really wants but doesn’t get because the interview goes badly - and later she gets the job at Hell’s Kitchen because she has to fall back on something she already knows how to do. And instead of just being offered a job by Emma, they could’ve had her notice that Emma was short staffed and use her initiative to ask for a job. In fact, Emma could be dismissive of her at first, thinking Joey seems like she couldn’t handle herself in a college bar, but when she sasses that guy out at the jukebox, Emma is impressed and changes her mind. That way Joey has some obstacles and actually has to EARN the job that she ends up with by using skills she already has and the sass that we love her for (on the rare occasions we get to see it). Otherwise Joey is eerily reminiscent of Dawson in the early seasons, where he got everything handed to him and had no obstacles in his path, making him dull and unlikeable. Clearly the writers didn’t learn from their mistakes, and unfortunately they won’t course correct with Joey for a while. *sigh*

    Overall, I hate what they do with all of the characters at the start of this season. It’s painful to watch, which is why, when I rewatch, I just skip straight to 6.14 and go from there.

    And finally, the less said about Emma’s accent, the better. If they had to have a British character - and I suppose the reasons for that do become evident later - why not cast a British actress? American audiences might not find the accent too grating but international audiences certainly did!

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    1. That's an excellent story suggestion on how to revise Joey's job hunt. It would've made a lot more sense to see her lose out on that English Dept job because she was so arrogant about being so "advanced"!

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    2. Excellent rewrite, Kate! You're hired!

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  3. I love that you kept the original music in your clips. I've watched the show so many times streaming that I didn't even remember the original songs. "As I lay me down" was such a perfect song for that moment. It brought me back to that time when I first watched it.
    I think that the writers wrote their relationship that way to show that Dawson and Joey really were better off as friends . Like the kind of friends that you don't have to talk to every day, that you can go months without talking and still pick up right where you left off. I think they're soul mates, but not the romantic kind.
    I'm also a little bummed you guys skipped over how absolutely cringey the part with Pacey and Audrey in the beginning was with the fake backdrop while they were "driving ". It was so terrible.

    And I just wanted to say I love your show!! I've seen it so many times, and it's interesting to hear Charles's take on it, seeing it for the first time.

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    1. There was so much to cringe about at the start of the episode that we completely forgot about the cringey backdrop! Haha.

      That's a good point: Dawson and Joey *are* better as friends. I think we see that become so clear in the series finale when they have that conversation about soulmates, and that's one of the reasons I really like the series finale: it brings viewers full circle on what that definition of "soulmate" is.

      -Traci

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    2. I cannot wait til you guys get to two episodes: Castaway and the series finale. In my opinion the series finale was the best episode of the entire series ironically enough. Very well written and acted. That's a huge reason for why I do not like the thought of a DC reboot. It ended on a high note and redeemed the disasters that were the final two seasons. Joshua Jackson had mentioned new writers came in for season five and apparently stayed for six and it's clear they didn't know what to do with any of the characters.

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  4. Love the podcast guys. Seasons 5 and 6 are the least enjoyable for me, season 6 gets better in the ep 14 until the finale.

    6x01 is actually a bad episode in my opinion, mostlly because the hole Joey/Dawson thing again, but the worst is Pacey's goatee! Hahaha

    ps.: Sorry my writing, I'm Brazillian so...I can understand and speak very well, but the writing is horrible.

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    1. That goatee... we definitely need to talk about it on the podcast soon!! Haha

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    2. But is the goatee's entire existence worthwhile for the payoff that is the shaving scene in Castaways? I tentatively vote yes, because that may be my favourite scene of the series!

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    3. Yes, the payoff is huge, but the looks...horrible hahaha

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    4. They could have at least only had him grow it once he became a stockbroker, because he was trying to fit in - that would've given us a couple of episodes without it at least!

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